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« at: 15:21 GMT - Sat 19 May 07 »

 How do you determine the final crop of your image?
  In reading through the many comments in the galleries, there is often much to be said about how the image is cropped, and as we have seen, sometimes a simple crop adjustment can make quite a bit of difference in how the final result is presented and received.
 "Standard" crops that come to mind are Square, 3:2, 4:3. and 16:9(landscape oriented). I have seen mention also of "Letterbox" and am not familiar with exact ratio of that term. Also there are numerous occasions where we simply crop to what 'Looks Good' to us.
 Do you try standard crops at first or do you simply "wing it" and end up with what pleases you in the end?

 A good article can be found at LL.
http://luminous-landscape.com/essays/und-crop.shtml

 What's your method?
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« Reply #1 at: 16:39 GMT - Sat 19 May 07 »

How a shot is cropped is very important as that article shows.  However, I always use a 2x3 crop.  Any pic that doesn't fit into that ratio is discarded.  I know that this may be limiting, but that is just my way.

So I either accept it as it is, crop to my set ratio or bin it.

I do have some 4 x 5 shots but only those direct from such a cam such as the KM A2.

Letterbox refers to the wide aspect ratio of 16x9 as used in wide screen TV and panaramic cameras such as the Xpan.
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« Reply #2 at: 19:41 GMT - Sat 19 May 07 »

I generally us a 4x5 ratio first as it is a standard for framing.  That being said I will use most any crop within reason if it will improve the image's appearance or feel, an example might be using a 16x9 in portrait to accent the height of a tall building.
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« Reply #3 at: 21:27 GMT - Sat 19 May 07 »

 Hmmm! Interesting! 4:5 is a ratio I left out in my OP. Yet both of you have made mention of it. I'll have to take a look at that!
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« Reply #4 at: 01:16 GMT - Sun 20 May 07 »

2:2.5, 4:5, 8:10, 16:20

All pretty standard for portrait work. ;)
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« Reply #5 at: 13:16 GMT - Sun 20 May 07 »

2:2.5, 4:5, 8:10, 16:20

All pretty standard for portrait work. ;)
OK! This gives a hint of my limited knowledge ??? I'm glad I asked..
'snip' I always use a 2x3 crop.  Any pic that doesn't fit into that ratio is discarded.  I know that this may be limiting, but that is just my way.

So I either accept it as it is, crop to my set ratio or bin it.
Don't you feel that you may have binned quite a few shots that were quite worthy of publishing even though the crop was not perfect?

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Letterbox refers to the wide aspect ratio of 16x9 as used in wide screen TV and panaramic cameras such as the Xpan.
Thanks! :)
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« Reply #6 at: 16:10 GMT - Sun 20 May 07 »

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Don't you feel that you may have binned quite a few shots that were quite worthy of publishing even though the crop was not perfect?
I doubt it.  Happy to accept a shot with a few flaws as long as it fits or at least until a reshoot.

I am a bit old fashioned in that I still kid myself my images are for printing.  As printed stuff is at 2x3 generally at least outside the USA as defined by the International Standards Organisation(ISO), I keep my images at 2x3. 

Basic print sizes are
  • 4x6 (ISO A6 size - 2x3 ratio)
  • 8x10 (this is basically a US thing - the annoying "letter" size which is a 4x5 ratio.)
  • 8x12 (ISO A4 size and my standard print size - 2x3 ratio)
  • 16x12 (ISO A3 size for Specials - 2x3 ratio)
  • 16x24 (ISO A2 size for Extra Specials - 2x3 ratio)

I must say I don't really print as much but still like to believe my images are destined for printing though.

PS The Letter Size is an annoying size because Microsoft defaults applications to this size and when you try to print stuff at work, it always causes problems if one forgets to change to A4 and this must clog up millions of work printers all over the world outside the US leading to uncountable numbers of people cussing and thinking of doing bad things to Bill Gates.
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« Reply #7 at: 16:27 GMT - Sun 20 May 07 »

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I am a bit old fashioned in that I still kid myself my images are for printing.  As printed stuff is at 2x3 generally at least outside the USA as defined by the International Standards Organisation(ISO), I keep my images at 2x3. 
Basic print sizes are
  • 4x6 (ISO A6 size - 2x3 ratio)
  • 8x10 (this is basically a US thing - the annoying "letter" size which is a 4x5 ratio.)
  • 8x12 (ISO A4 size and my standard print size - 2x3 ratio)
  • 16x12 (ISO A3 size for Specials - 2x3 ratio)
  • 16x24 (ISO A2 size for Extra Specials - 2x3 ratio)

PS The Letter Size is an annoying size because Microsoft defaults applications to this size and when you try to print stuff at work, it always causes problems if one forgets to change to A4 and this must clog up millions of work printers all over the world outside the US leading to uncountable numbers of people cussing and thinking of doing bad things to Bill Gates.


Well, on our side of the pond the 4x5 ratio is the standard, not by my choice, it is what is. The problem here for using the ISO standard is not only printing but also mounting and framing, go out side of the 4x5 ratio and the cost of can triple. 
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« Reply #8 at: 16:34 GMT - Sun 20 May 07 »

Quote from: Dayo link=topic=54.msg360#msg360 d
I am a bit old fashioned in that I still kid myself my images are for printing.  As printed stuff is at 2x3 generally at least outside the USA as defined by the International Standards Organisation(ISO), I keep my images at 2x3. 

Basic print sizes are
  • 4x6 (ISO A6 size - 2x3 ratio)
  • 8x10 (this is basically a US thing - the annoying "letter" size which is a 4x5 ratio.)
  • 8x12 (ISO A4 size and my standard print size - 2x3 ratio)
  • 16x12 (ISO A3 size for Specials - 2x3 ratio)
  • 16x24 (ISO A2 size for Extra Specials - 2x3 ratio)

I must say I don't really print as much but still like to believe my images are destined for printing though.
I don't print much either, but I always leave my options open.
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PS The Letter Size is an annoying size because Microsoft defaults applications to this size and when you try to print stuff at work, it always causes problems if one forgets to change to A4 and this must clog up millions of work printers all over the world outside the US leading to uncountable numbers of people cussing and thinking of doing bad things to Bill Gates.
I think you have made your point quite well!
Although I have cussed Bill Gates on many occasions too numerous to count, I have never thought of doing bad things to him!!!!!!
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« Reply #9 at: 17:39 GMT - Sun 20 May 07 »

What I like is the symmetry
  • ISO A0 = 32x48
  • ISO A1 = 32x24 (ISO A0 folded in half)
  • ISO A2 = 16x24 (ISO A1 folded in half)
  • ISO A3 = 16x12 (ISO A2 folded in half)
  • ISO A4 = 8x12 (ISO A3 folded in half)
  • ISO A5 = 8x6 (ISO A4 folded in half)
  • ISO A6 = 4x6 (ISO A5 folded in half)

Same with the metric system
  • 1centimetre = 10millimetres
  • 1decimetre = 10 centimetre = 100millimetres
  • 1metre = 10decimetres = 100centimetres = 1,000millimetres
  • 1decametre = 10metres = 100decimetres = 1,000centimetres = 10,000millimetres
  • 1kilometre = 10decametres = 100metres = 1,000decimetres = 10,000centimetres = 100,000millimetres

I must say though that I can't think of peoples height in anything but feet!  I can relate to a description of a person as being 6'4 tall but not 1.7m tall for instance lol.

Anyway, how did I get here from crop sizes ???


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« Reply #10 at: 22:56 GMT - Wed 23 May 07 »

What I like is the symmetry
  • ISO A0 = 32x48
  • ISO A1 = 32x24 (ISO A0 folded in half)
  • ISO A2 = 16x24 (ISO A1 folded in half)
  • ISO A3 = 16x12 (ISO A2 folded in half)
  • ISO A4 = 8x12 (ISO A3 folded in half)
  • ISO A5 = 8x6 (ISO A4 folded in half)
  • ISO A6 = 4x6 (ISO A5 folded in half)

I must say though that I can't think of peoples height in anything but feet!  I can relate to a description of a person as being 6'4 tall but not 1.7m tall for instance lol.

Anyway, how did I get here from crop sizes ???

 Thanks for posting the list regarding 'A' sizes in relation to the 'inch' system that I know. That's a handy reference. I also have trouble relating things metric to US standards..
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